Hole Punched In Wa Drivers License
. Your employer could be in trouble. The business could face fines or have its liquor license suspended. If the business receives four violations within two years, it could lose its liquor license permanently. You can only sell alcohol to a person who is 21 years of age. I want to use my sister's old driver's license as an ID this weekend. I am going to a club that you have to be 21 to get in. We look alike so that's not a problem. The only thing is that when she got a new license, they punched a hole in the old one. The old one isn't expired, but the hole is on the black strip on the back that they scan. Hole punched in driver's license (self.answers) submitted 1 year ago by yeerkslayer. I had my license issued at 18. By the time I became 21, the procedures for IDs in Illinois had changed so I still do everything at the DMV but get my new license in the mail in a week or 2. My old ID still has year left before expiration but is now punched in.
Last week I had to add a tanker endorsement to my CDL and the guy at the DMV punched a hole in my license. Yesterday I stopped by turners to 'check' out the c39v2. A new shipment just came in after being on back order for 4 months. I decided to buy it. Handing over my license I saw the hole and I was hoping they wouldn't notice but the guy did and he wouldn't let me go any further with the DROS. I did put a deposit on the rifle and I'm hoping my license will get here soon.Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk. Last week I had to add a tanker endorsement to my CDL and the guy at the DMV punched a hole in my license.
Yesterday I stopped by turners to 'check' out the c39v2. A new shipment just came in after being on back order for 4 months. I decided to buy it.
Handing over my license I saw the hole and I was hoping they wouldn't notice but the guy did and he wouldn't let me go any further with the DROS. I did put a deposit on the rifle and I'm hoping my license will get here soon.Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalkso you tried to purchase a firearm, with a license that you knew was invalid?:facepalm. The reason DMV punches your driver's license is because they were issuing you a new one and it is unlawful to possess two driver's licenses. They most likely issued you a temporary paper license (you did not indicate one way or the other). The temporary paper one is valid and in combination with the punched old photo license is valid for any purpose a California Driver's License is valid for.Below is the Vehicle Code section which I referred to.12511.
No person shall have in his or her possession or otherwiseunder his or her control more than one driver's license. The reason DMV punches your driver's license is because they were issuing you a new one and it is unlawful to possess two driver's licenses. They most likely issued you a temporary paper license (you did not indicate one way or the other). The temporary paper one is valid and in combination with the punched old photo license is valid for any purpose a California Driver's License is valid for.Below is the Vehicle Code section which I referred to.12511.
No person shall have in his or her possession or otherwiseunder his or her control more than one driver's license.The old ID plus paper is only good for driving. It can not be used for any other purpose. The paper specifically says this.Source: I own a bar and have taken multiple classes with CA ABC.
The old ID plus paper is only good for driving. It can not be used for any other purpose.
The paper specifically says this.Source: I own a bar and have taken multiple classes with CA ABCWhy would this be a concern to ABC?Does someone suddenly lose 5 years when a hole is punched in their CDL? If so, someone punch mine a few times:DFirearms purchases I can understand because in addition to identification it is also proof of residence.But if it has a hole punched, then it obviously was not revoked/suspended (would have been confiscated), and that hole doesn't change a person's age or identity.I know. You don't make the rules.But questions to ask at the next class;). Why would this be a concern to ABC?Does someone suddenly lose 5 years when a hole is punched in their CDL? If so, someone punch mine a few times:DFirearms purchases I can understand because in addition to identification it is also proof of residence.But if it has a hole punched, then it obviously was not revoked/suspended (would have been confiscated), and that hole doesn't change a person's age or identity.I know. You don't make the rules.But questions to ask at the next class;)Nope your CDL is not proof of residence, but you must gave a valid livense to purchase. Why would this be a concern to ABC?Does someone suddenly lose 5 years when a hole is punched in their CDL?
If so, someone punch mine a few times:DFirearms purchases I can understand because in addition to identification it is also proof of residence.But if it has a hole punched, then it obviously was not revoked/suspended (would have been confiscated), and that hole doesn't change a person's age or identity.I know. You don't make the rules.But questions to ask at the next class;)They don't always confiscate it when it's suspended. Use your passport book or passport card for ID, and a vehicle registration or utility bill to prove residency.About a month ago I bought a firearm (PPT) and they would not accept:1. My vehicle registration because they were both renewals (I had just renewed both vehicles) - it's the same address as my license - nor2.
Either of my most recent utility bills (gas & electric) because I had used the bottom parts to pay the bills (you rip off the bottom and send it back with your check) - even though my name, address and dates of the bill are clearly visible on the remaining portion.Then the youngster behind the counter (must have been his 21st b'day and 1st day of work - or at least he looked it) commented on my veteran's cap saying he wished he could have joined but he has flat feet or something. About a month ago I bought a firearm (PPT) and they would not accept:1. My vehicle registration because they were both renewals (I had just renewed both vehicles) - it's the same address as my license - nor2. Either of my most recent utility bills (gas & electric) because I had used the bottom parts to pay the bills (you rip off the bottom and send it back with your check) - even though my name, address and dates of the bill are clearly visible on the remaining portion.Then the youngster behind the counter (must have been his 21st b'day and 1st day of work - or at least he looked it) commented on my veteran's cap saying he wished he could have joined but he has flat feet or something. That is what I will be doing next time. Right before the DMV lady punched mine she said what she was going to do and when I questioned it she insisted that the punched license with the paper was good for everything a license was good for. I didn't know better at the time so I said fine.
Now I know.A couple decades ago I was asked to surrender my license. I told them I didn't have it with me and immediately fled the country for two years. I used the suspended license to rent cars overseas during that time until I returned home and duly handed over the license to the DMV.No one cared. Many moons ago I was refused entry to a bar due to an expired DL. I was maybe 22 and went off on the bouncer mostly because I was with a work party and was very embarrassed which didn't help me look any better. To this day I think that's BS x100. Some how I'm not 22 anymore because my DL is expired???
Yea what ever!!Oh wait CA has another STUPID law. My truck passed the emissions part of the smog test but the check engine lights on so they failed me, WTF is that about?? Either I'm polluting the air or I'm not, What does a light on my dashboard have to do with that. Many moons ago I was refused entry to a bar due to an expired DL. I was maybe 22 and went off on the bouncer mostly because I was with a work party and was very embarrassed which didn't help me look any better. To this day I think that's BS x100.
Some how I'm not 22 anymore because my DL is expired??? Yea what ever!!Oh wait CA has another STUPID law.
My truck passed the emissions part of the smog test but the check engine lights on so they failed me, WTF is that about?? Either I'm polluting the air or I'm not, What does a light on my dashboard have to do with that.Whats even dumber is when you cant use your military ID to get into bars. Yea I dealt with that one a few times. Why would this be a concern to ABC?Does someone suddenly lose 5 years when a hole is punched in their CDL? If so, someone punch mine a few times:DFirearms purchases I can understand because in addition to identification it is also proof of residence.But if it has a hole punched, then it obviously was not revoked/suspended (would have been confiscated), and that hole doesn't change a person's age or identity.I know. You don't make the rules.But questions to ask at the next class;)Hey friend,Sorry for the late reply.So in CA, two conditions must be met to legally serve someone alcohol1) They must be 21 or older.2) They must have a valid ID that proves that fact.If someone is obviously of age, we don't have to card them at our own discretion and risk. And my bar, we set the rule at 'Do they look younger than 30?'
If so, we card them.If they have an expired ID, we cannot serve them, even if they are over 21. It would be against the law. If I for some reason carded a 90 year old man and it was expired, I would technically be breaking the law by giving him alcohol. Condition 2 is the part that most people fail to understand.The CDL with a hole is a common issue. Basically, when an ID is destroyed (hole) in any manner, it does not exist.
We cannot legally use it to determine identity or age in any way. It cannot be part of the process.We are also not allowed to accept any paper identification, so when they show us the DMV slip, we have to point out on the paper where it states 'this does not establish identity for public benefits'. It's a bummer but also the law. ABC runs stings with this exact scenario.The paper ID explicitly states it can only be used to legally drive.It's dumb that the DMV makes it so people waiting on a CDL are impossible to serve alcohol too, but with my livelihood on the line, I choose to enforce their rules to the T. 2 weeks ago I PPT'd a rifle at my LGS, but the address on my license wasn't my current address.
They let me fill out the PPT paperwork using a current utility bill. In the meantime, I went to the dmv to get a new license with current address and they punched a hole in it. I tried to pick up my gun the other day, but they would not let me with the hole punched license along with my temporary paper ID. Hurry up dmv! Mail me my license!I hope you get your new license before final pick-up date or you will have to re-DROS:eek. Many moons ago I was refused entry to a bar due to an expired DL.
I was maybe 22 and went off on the bouncer mostly because I was with a work party and was very embarrassed which didn't help me look any better. To this day I think that's BS x100.
Some how I'm not 22 anymore because my DL is expired??? Yea what ever!!I understand your logic, but what part of 'valid ID' do you not understand? The bars are required by law to demand a valid ID.When any bar weighs their liquor license against your embarrassment, you will come up short every time. The solution is not to allow your ID to expire.
But what part of 'valid ID' do you not understand?lol, I understand the law completely. How does that make it a smart logical law? Maybe instead of saying what the law is you can explain the purpose of the law. Why is a valid ID needed to prove my age. It proved my age yesterday why not today?There's likely a reason they put the valid part on the books.
Washington State Punched Driver License
I just don't see a good reason for it. Other then someone trying to use a 30yr old expired DL for ID. There should/could be exceptions to that law.I'm a contractor and I have clients all the time asking about codes and they often start out thinking many of them are stupid.
After I explain the reasons for the specific codes the light bulb often goes on and they get it. The valid ID thing, I just don't completely get the reasoning behind it as far as age goes.AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON MY CHECK ENGINE LIGHT!!!!!:D. Hey friend,Sorry for the late reply.So in CA, two conditions must be met to legally serve someone alcohol1) They must be 21 or older.2) They must have a valid ID that proves that fact.If someone is obviously of age, we don't have to card them at our own discretion and risk.
And my bar, we set the rule at 'Do they look younger than 30?' If so, we card them.If they have an expired ID, we cannot serve them, even if they are over 21. It would be against the law. If I for some reason carded a 90 year old man and it was expired, I would technically be breaking the law by giving him alcohol. Condition 2 is the part that most people fail to understand.My comment is not directed against you personally Benny.But I hope you do see the ridiculousness of the above situation.I'm in my 50s, gray hair - whatever is left of it. And so tired of the stupidity that the last two times I was asked for ID (both times for a single beer) once at a bar, the other at the supermarket. I just said nevermind and walked away.It's not the effort of reaching into my wallet for CDL, but the principle.
If the behemoth alcohol companies aren't willing to work on behalf of the consumer, why reward them with business. I'm in my 50s, gray hair - whatever is left of it. And so tired of the stupidity that the last two times I was asked for ID (both times for a single beer) once at a bar, the other at the supermarket. I just said nevermind and walked away.I've been carded twice in my life, once on my 27th birthday and once a few years ago when I was about 48.I happily handed over my ID because I wanted my beer.It's not the effort of reaching into my wallet for CDL, but the principle. If the behemoth alcohol companies aren't willing to work on behalf of the consumer, why reward them with business.This has nothing to do with behemoth alcohol companies, it's about bars and clubs and stores that in many cases have CUPs and in all cases have beer or liquor licenses that can be revoked at any moment, and so they are highly vulnerable at all times.I am mystified how folks can demand that other people and companies risk their very existence - their incomes, their families, their retirement - for some trivial chicken. reason when the real answer is simple: keep your ID current. I've been managing this myself for over three decades and it really is not hard to do.
Are you suggesting the law should allow invalid IDs to be used as proof?yesHow about forgeries?no, and I see what your trying to do there. I'm not buying it, I said there should be 'exceptions'. That would not be one of them.So you're they type that feels laws should not be questioned. Fine there are those out there that think that way.
I better not see you over in the legal sub forum complaining about the gun laws.Do you have an answer as to why a once 'valid' ID with a hole punched in it is no longer good enough to prove age??? It's not like age can change like weight, hair color, vision, address etc.
Please give a reasonable explanation as to why your ID is not a reasonable way of determining your age weather expired or not.FWIW the question is not being snarky. I'm open to the fact there is a good reason why they don't allow the expired DL as proof of age. I'm just not seeing it.
Do you have an answer as to why a once 'valid' ID with a hole punched in it is no longer good enough to prove age??? It's not like age can change like weight, hair color, vision, address etc. Please give a reasonable explanation as to why your ID is not a reasonable way of determining your age weather expired or not.FWIW the question is not being snarky. I'm open to the fact there is a good reason why they don't allow the expired DL as proof of age. Always get a Ca ID card when you get your license.
For just such occasions.Doesn't DMV charge additional fees for CA ID card? Sounds like a good racket.Maybe next year some lawmaker reading this thread can propose that:1. DMV issue CDL for driving only.2. DMV issue a CA ID for proof of address (lets make that one expire annually on our birthdays so they can generate more fees for the state). Never know, one might move in the 4 year time frame between CDLs3. DMV issue a CA ID for proof of age for alcohol purchases only.4. DMV issue a CA ID for firearm purchases only.With enough ideas, we could generate a ton of fees for the state.perhaps you should have actually handed that clerk your CCW license and used that as your Proof of Residency.
And, perhaps the clerk wasn't being nosy so he didn't focus on the fact that you had a CCW exposed in your wallet (has that clerk even seen a CCW from your county/city before?) and that you were FSC-exempt and SHD-exempt. Why even have an FSC if you are already FSC-exempt, unless you got your CCW after you got the FSC?See, you figured it out without having to be told.Arizona allows you to purchase firearms with a paper temporary license. It also has your photo on it.What is this logic thing you speak of? Some Californians have been here so long that they no longer question anything - they just comply.When I moved to Utah they issued me a temporary paper license with my photo on it. And they punched a hole in my California license.
I was thrilled.Oh my, what a concept! First AZ and now UT! We have to stop this logic thing before it reaches CA!!2 weeks ago I PPT'd a rifle at my LGS, but the address on my license wasn't my current address. They let me fill out the PPT paperwork using a current utility bill. In the meantime, I went to the dmv to get a new license with current address and they punched a hole in it. I tried to pick up my gun the other day, but they would not let me with the hole punched license along with my temporary paper ID. Hurry up dmv!
Mail me my license!Out of curiosity, was that a complete recent utility bill or had you ripped of the portion used to pay the bill?Whats even dumber is when you cant use your military ID to get into bars. Yea I dealt with that one a few times.My first thought was that you can be 18 with military ID and drinking age is 21. I have got to get out of California.I'm starting to get infected.I hope you get your new license before final pick-up date or you will have to re-DROS:eek:That would be a bummer.lol, I understand the law completely. How does that make it a smart logical law? Maybe instead of saying what the law is you can explain the purpose of the law. Why is a valid ID needed to prove my age.
It proved my age yesterday why not today?There's likely a reason they put the valid part on the books. I just don't see a good reason for it. Other then someone trying to use a 30yr old expired DL for ID. There should/could be exceptions to that law.Logic and purpose? People might start thinking instead of just complying. We can't have that.
If you were God, how would you rewrite that sectionWOW, you just don't get it. I/we need not be gods.
My comment is not directed against you personally Benny.But I hope you do see the ridiculousness of the above situation.I'm in my 50s, gray hair - whatever is left of it. And so tired of the stupidity that the last two times I was asked for ID (both times for a single beer) once at a bar, the other at the supermarket. I just said nevermind and walked away.It's not the effort of reaching into my wallet for CDL, but the principle. If the behemoth alcohol companies aren't willing to work on behalf of the consumer, why reward them with business.I agree that it's silly, but the heavy penalties and fines that can be levied by ABC are why people are super strict. I support too many employees for me to risk being shut down for a service violation.
The ABC does stings every day of the week.it's how they get a good chunk of their operational budget. Last week I had to add a tanker endorsement to my CDL and the guy at the DMV punched a hole in my license. Yesterday I stopped by turners to 'check' out the c39v2. A new shipment just came in after being on back order for 4 months. I decided to buy it. Handing over my license I saw the hole and I was hoping they wouldn't notice but the guy did and he wouldn't let me go any further with the DROS. I did put a deposit on the rifle and I'm hoping my license will get here soon.Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalkso you have no valid drivers license.
And are you still driving? Ya right.My birth certificate has a Mexican customs stamp on it from 1998.:facepalm:They'll just punch a hole in your SS card.
Then the next time you apply for a job they'll accuse you of being here illegally.Well, my birth certificate does not have that stamp on it, and it's from well before 1988. YmmvI could care less what they do with my SS card; I'll never collect SS, so they can have it.
I'm here legally (birth), but that seems to matter so much less these days, especially here. I'm done applying for jobs, and for that matter the baboons can have my passport, as I've travelled the world, and am done with that as well.License?.By the time the Dems turn this entire state into a sanctuary city, my current one will expire, and I have no plans to renew.I. Lol, I understand the law completely. How does that make it a smart logical law? Maybe instead of saying what the law is you can explain the purpose of the law. Why is a valid ID needed to prove my age. It proved my age yesterday why not today?There's likely a reason they put the valid part on the books.
I just don't see a good reason for it. Other then someone trying to use a 30yr old expired DL for ID. There should/could be exceptions to that law.I'm a contractor and I have clients all the time asking about codes and they often start out thinking many of them are stupid. After I explain the reasons for the specific codes the light bulb often goes on and they get it. The valid ID thing, I just don't completely get the reasoning behind it as far as age goes.ok, here you go.
Think about this scenario. I have a younger brother or friends that looks similar to me but is under 21. My original license has expired so I give it to my brother/friend to use to get into bars. I could do the same with a valid ID, but then I have to go and get a replacement.AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON MY CHECK ENGINE LIGHT!!!!!:Dcheck engine light on means that something isnt up to acceptable standards. Even though tailpipe emissions pass, doesn't mean that everything is right. I could have a bad gas cap or a cracked vacuum line that lets gas vapors escape when the car is off. That affects smog even though it passes a tailpipe test.
Ke6Bad argument, You're saying lets have another law to stop someone from breaking a law already on the books. Sound familiar?I see that for being a reason not to allow a person to have multiple DL but what if you don't have two, just the one you have is expired? I still have 2 of my old DL including my very first one. I don't see why that matters. If some one breaks another law by uses it.I think some people don't understand what laws are for.
You guys do understand they have nothing to do with preventing anyone from doing anything. They are on the books so the government can legally prosecute, fine you or other wise have some control. They have nothing to do with preventing or stopping anyone from doing anything. Perhaps you should have actually handed that clerk your CCW license and used that as your Proof of Residency.
And, perhaps the clerk wasn't being nosy so he didn't focus on the fact that you had a CCW exposed in your wallet (has that clerk even seen a CCW from your county/city before?) and that you were FSC-exempt and SHD-exempt.